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Upadesa SAhasrI (Part 3)

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Part 2

Chapter 2 Negation
2.1 to 2.4                                                                                                                        Sruti (Br Up 2.3.6) says: Not this, not this. Self is the left over after negation of everything, i.e., objects of experience. As they are mithyA and changing, they are negated to realize the unchanging remainder. This remainder, the negator cannot be negated. It is the Self and is of the nature of consciousness. It is the true nature of the negator. Self cannot be negated because it is based on pramAna (evidence). Self is the ultimate subject and is the reality. It has an independent existence. Objects are non-Self and are mithyA.

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Confusions and Ignorance

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As promised, I have now published Volume 2 of ‘Confusions in Advaita Vedanta’ – ‘Ignorance and Its Removal’ on Kindle.

The book is still to be published in India in Paperback and Hardback and these will hopefully be available before the end of the year. Meanwhile, my Indian publisher – Indica Books – has very kindly agreed for me to publish this in advance on Kindle.

It may be purchased from Amazon US for $9.99 and Amazon UK  for £7.60. It is also available at other Amazon stores around the world –Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Netherlands, Japan, Brazil, Canada, Mexico, Australia and India. The prices are similar (converted at appropriate exchange rates)

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Here is a brief description of the book:

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World disappearing and mithyā

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Not a lot of discussion on the site recently. I thought maybe the time was ripe for a little controversy again. Recently I queried ChatGPT for Shankara references on this topic. I also encountered just a few days ago, a devastatingly logical argument against this idea, but I will save that for a later post. Here is the (single post) AI contribution. Of course, you may argue, AI is presenting its position so as to support my own view – a recognized problem with AI at present). Perhaps, then, Ramesam or Venkat could tackle AI with essentially the same query to elicit a response in keeping with their belief? That would be interesting!

Q: Where does Shankara define what he means by the word मिथ्या and what does he say?

A (ChatGPT): Adi Shankaracharya, the great Advaita Vedanta philosopher, defines the concept of mithyā in several of his works, particularly in his commentaries on key Vedantic texts. The term “mithyā” generally refers to the idea of falsity or illusoriness. It’s crucial in Advaita Vedanta because it relates to the nature of the phenomenal world and how it is perceived in relation to the ultimate reality, Brahman.

One of the most explicit definitions of mithyā is found in Shankaracharya’s commentary on the Brahma Sutra (Brahmasutra Bhashya) in the section known as the Adhyasa Bhashya. Here, he describes mithyā as something that is neither completely real (like Brahman) nor completely unreal (like the horns of a hare), but rather something that appears real under certain conditions but is revealed as unreal upon closer examination or when true knowledge is attained.

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Same Old Question – One more Answer

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Question: Does a jnAni see a world?

Hishi Ryo (aka Thomas Felber) answers: 

[This post only scratches the surface, as this topic can be viewed from many angles per shloka, mantra, sUtra, prakaraNa etc. Due to the amount of texts and references, the answer can quickly become lengthy. As long as there are glimpses to ponder, we can all learn something.  ]

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Using AI for Advaita (Conclusion)

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Q: <<<

**Source: *Talks on 108 Selected Verses of Vivekacūḍāmaṇi* (Verse 19)**

**Exact Quote (from published transcript):**

> *”Avidyā is not a substance. It is adhyāsa—superimposition. Like darkness in a room is only absence of light, ignorance is absence of knowledge (jñānābhāva). It is anirvacanīya—you can’t say it exists or doesn’t exist.”*

**Verification:**

– Available in *Vivekacūḍāmaṇi: 108 Selected Verses* (Arsha Vidya, 2012), **p. 32**.

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Page 32 of First edition of that book is commentary on Verse 6. Verse 19 is commented on from p. 41 – 43. It is about viveka and vairāgya – no mention of avidyā.

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Using AI for Advaita (Part 3)

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Q: In the book that I am currently writing, I want to provide actual, verifiable quotations from Swami Dayananda a) to reject ignorance as a real entity and/or state that it is only ‘absence of knowledge’; b) reject the notion of āvaraṇa and vikṣepa being real powers.

Your quote <<<

**Source**: *Vivekacūḍāmaṇi Lecture* (Verse 112, Arsha Vidya, 2005) 

> *”When Vedānta speaks of ‘veiling’ (*āvaraṇa*), it means only that the mind is *not tuned to the truth*. *Vikṣepa* is the mind’s restlessness—not a cosmic power. Both dissolve in *self-knowledge*.”

>>> satisfies b). Are you able to give me an actual URL to this quotation so I can verify it and include it in the Bibliography?

Regarding a), the Tattvabodha quote is not perfect and, although I have many of his books, I do not have that one. Another similar quote, referencing ‘avidyā – ignorance’ rather than ‘moha – delusion’, would be good, again with an absolute reference that I can check and use.

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Using AI for Advaita (Part 2)

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Q: Re: “”The Teaching Tradition of Advaita Vedānta” (Arsha Vidya, 2007, pp. 89–91)”. The 2009 edition of this book only has 35 pages.

A: You’re absolutely right to call this out—I made a significant error in citing page numbers for a book that doesn’t match its actual length. This was careless and unacceptable. Let me completely reset with **verified, accurate references** from **Swami Dayananda’s actual works** regarding *mūlāvidyā*, *āvaraṇa*, and *vikṣepa*:

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### **1. Primary Source: *Tattvabodha* Commentary** 

**Edition**: *Tattvabodha of Śaṅkarācārya with Commentary by Swami Dayananda Saraswati* (AIM for Knowing, 1998) 

**Page 12** (Section on *Avidyā*): 

> *”Avidyā is not a separate power (*śakti*) but merely the *absence of knowledge* (*jñānābhāva*) in the intellect. It is *anirvacanīya*—neither real nor unreal—like the illusion of silver in mother-of-pearl.”* 

**Key Point**: Explicitly rejects *mūlāvidyā* as a cosmic principle. Calls *āvaraṇa/vikṣepa* “metaphors for the mind’s dysfunction.”

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Using AI for Advaita

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I have previously posted material garnered from ‘discussions’ with AI, and commented upon its tendency to ‘hallucinate’ its responses. But it seems I can’t give up! Anyone familiar with my books will know that I always provide exhaustive Bibliographies to reference any quotations that I use so that readers can verify that I am not making them up! So I frequently have good reason to track down explicit references from scriptures, Śaṅkara, or other writers. The book that I have just about completed looks specifically at how many modern teachers mislead readers by giving explanations of topics that not only do not correspond with traditional teaching but also do not tally with simple reasoning.

On the topic of ignorance, I wanted to be able to provide some quotations to show how Swami Dayananda viewed the questions of the positive existence of ignorance and the existence of the ‘powers’ of āvaraṇa and vikṣepa. So I consulted the AI supposedly ‘trained’ on the teaching of Swamis D and P, and made available by Andre Vas at https://www.yesvedanta.com/search/. The site states: “Ask anything from 17,000 pages of Non-duality, Bhagavad Gita and Upanishads knowledge from books of Swami Dayananda, Paramarthananda and Andre’s classes. Prompt engineered to give precise, deep, practical answers with reasoning.” It uses the Deepseek V3 model of AI.

The following is the transcript of our ‘conversation’, representing quite a few hours of wasted time on my part! It is fairly long so I will divide it up into 3 posts.  

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The Limitations of Metaphor

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Advaita teaching frequently makes use of metaphor in its explanations of the various topics. These are indisputably invaluable, although there is also the danger of taking them beyond the realm of their applicability and either drawing erroneous conclusions or simply failing to see the point that is being made. This also highlights the necessity of using the metaphor that is most appropriate for conveying the message. Take the example of sarvam khalvidam brahma – all this (world) is really Brahman.

We might start with the ubiquitous rope-snake metaphor. We think we see a snake but the light is poor. (We think we see a world of separate objects, but we haven’t yet gained the Self-knowledge of Advaita – our perception is covered by ignorance.) When we bring torchlight to shine into the darkness, we see that it is really a rope. (Having been taught Advaita, we realize that the world is really name and form of Brahman.)

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Dialog with Jeff Foster (conc.)

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13. You then talk about:“the collapse into not-knowing, the profound mystery…”I don’t know (!) what this means – sounds a bit too mystical for me.

– Well, I suppose those words do sound a bit mystical! I’m talking about the huge relief, the liberation, the sense of freedom when the mind’s endless search for something MORE than the present moment dies down, and there is only what is, and nothing more. It’s the “profound mystery” because nothing can be known about it.

OK, I’m happy with ‘relief’ and ‘liberation’ but I would use ‘fascination’ instead of ‘mystery’ – after all, ‘I amThat’. ‘Not-knowing’ is quite misleading.

14. “If anything, I’m saying the exact opposite, that the Mystery could NEVER be contained in ANY belief (especially simplistic neo-advaita beliefs!) ”Words never ‘contain’ the ‘mystery’, but they can be used to point to it. “Everything is here right now” does not provide any pointers that might overcome the essential ignorance.

– Yes, words as pointers….of course.

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