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Using AI for Advaita (Conclusion)

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**Source: *Talks on 108 Selected Verses of Vivekacūḍāmaṇi* (Verse 19)**

**Exact Quote (from published transcript):**

> *”Avidyā is not a substance. It is adhyāsa—superimposition. Like darkness in a room is only absence of light, ignorance is absence of knowledge (jñānābhāva). It is anirvacanīya—you can’t say it exists or doesn’t exist.”*

**Verification:**

– Available in *Vivekacūḍāmaṇi: 108 Selected Verses* (Arsha Vidya, 2012), **p. 32**.

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Page 32 of First edition of that book is commentary on Verse 6. Verse 19 is commented on from p. 41 – 43. It is about viveka and vairāgya – no mention of avidyā.

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Using AI for Advaita (Part 2)

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Q: Re: “”The Teaching Tradition of Advaita Vedānta” (Arsha Vidya, 2007, pp. 89–91)”. The 2009 edition of this book only has 35 pages.

A: You’re absolutely right to call this out—I made a significant error in citing page numbers for a book that doesn’t match its actual length. This was careless and unacceptable. Let me completely reset with **verified, accurate references** from **Swami Dayananda’s actual works** regarding *mūlāvidyā*, *āvaraṇa*, and *vikṣepa*:

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### **1. Primary Source: *Tattvabodha* Commentary** 

**Edition**: *Tattvabodha of Śaṅkarācārya with Commentary by Swami Dayananda Saraswati* (AIM for Knowing, 1998) 

**Page 12** (Section on *Avidyā*): 

> *”Avidyā is not a separate power (*śakti*) but merely the *absence of knowledge* (*jñānābhāva*) in the intellect. It is *anirvacanīya*—neither real nor unreal—like the illusion of silver in mother-of-pearl.”* 

**Key Point**: Explicitly rejects *mūlāvidyā* as a cosmic principle. Calls *āvaraṇa/vikṣepa* “metaphors for the mind’s dysfunction.”

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Using AI for Advaita

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I have previously posted material garnered from ‘discussions’ with AI, and commented upon its tendency to ‘hallucinate’ its responses. But it seems I can’t give up! Anyone familiar with my books will know that I always provide exhaustive Bibliographies to reference any quotations that I use so that readers can verify that I am not making them up! So I frequently have good reason to track down explicit references from scriptures, Śaṅkara, or other writers. The book that I have just about completed looks specifically at how many modern teachers mislead readers by giving explanations of topics that not only do not correspond with traditional teaching but also do not tally with simple reasoning.

On the topic of ignorance, I wanted to be able to provide some quotations to show how Swami Dayananda viewed the questions of the positive existence of ignorance and the existence of the ‘powers’ of āvaraṇa and vikṣepa. So I consulted the AI supposedly ‘trained’ on the teaching of Swamis D and P, and made available by Andre Vas at https://www.yesvedanta.com/search/. The site states: “Ask anything from 17,000 pages of Non-duality, Bhagavad Gita and Upanishads knowledge from books of Swami Dayananda, Paramarthananda and Andre’s classes. Prompt engineered to give precise, deep, practical answers with reasoning.” It uses the Deepseek V3 model of AI.

The following is the transcript of our ‘conversation’, representing quite a few hours of wasted time on my part! It is fairly long so I will divide it up into 3 posts.  

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Being: the bottom line (Conclusion)

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Another misleading claim is that “there’s no one bound and therefore no liberation from bondage.” This sounds very clever and obvious and is very likely to be accepted without question by the listener, adding still more to the ammunition against the traditional Advaitin position. But everything should be questioned! Advaita is a supremely logical and scientific philosophy if followed correctly and glib statements such as the above must be looked at carefully. (And it is acknowledged that ‘glib’ here is a ‘loaded epithet’!) Traditional Advaita does not, in fact, claim that there can be liberation from bondage. In fact, it is stated openly that there is not actually anyone bound. What is said is that there can be the realisation that there is no one who is bound – and that is liberation.

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Q.528 Confusions in Advaita

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Q: I am reading your book ” Confusions in Advaita Vedanta”.

I am from India, born in the Smarta Brahmin tradition of The revered Adi Shankara.
The purport of Adi Shankara as repeatedly explained by you is that no pramana or meditation except shabda pramana, teaching of scripture expounded by qualified teacher can give jnana. And this understanding happens in the process of listening once. Repetitions don’t help.

This caused both enthusiasm and later negativity in me. I have heard scriptures being expounded by Swami Dayananda, Swami Paramarthananda, Swami Brahmananda, Swami Parthasarathy, Sri Gangolli (translator of Swami Satchidananendra) etc. But no understanding or Jnana has resulted.

Am I doomed? Or Does it mean I was not qualified enough? More yoga sadhana required for purifying my mind? Of course there can be no doubt that the teachers were qualified. So fault is mine.

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Time according to Advaita

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Martin,

Your post made me realize that I have rarely, if ever, encountered any definition/explanation of the concept of time in Advaita. It set me off on a search of my library to try to find something. Apart from those books which index every word they contain (e.g. Krishnaswamy Iyer’s ‘Vedanta or the Science of Reality’ has 107 page-references to ‘time’), I could not find anything in any of my physical books. A search of my electronic database came up with very few references and the only scriptural one I could find is from Vivekachudamani 497:

sthulādibhāvā mayi kalpitā bhramā-dārōpitānusphuraṇena lōkaiḥ |
kāle yathā kalpakavatsarāya-ṇartvā dayō niṣkalanirvikalpe ||497||

John Grimes translates:

Sthūlādi = gross and so on; kalpita bhramāt = erroneously imagined; āropitānu-sphuraṇena = manifestation superimposed; kale = time; kalpaka = eons; vatsarāyaṇa = years and half-years; ṛtvādi = seasons and so on.

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Book Review: Vivekachudamani – Swami Dayananda

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Another review from 10+ years ago at Advaita Academy. I have amended this to bring it up to date.

Vivekachudamani (vivekachUDAmaNi), Swami Dayananda Saraswati, Sri Gangadadharesvar Trust, 1997, No ISBN. (312 pages), $12 from Arsha Vidya Bookstore, Arsha Vidya Gurukulam, Institute of Vedanta & Sanskrit, P.O. Box 1059, Saylorsburg, Pennsylvania, 18353, USA Tel: 570.992.2339 (http://books.arshavidya.org/) The book is in English. Verses are given in Devanagari, followed by transliteration and then word by word translation. Direct Devanagari quotations from other sources are provided in footnotes.

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The myth of Rahu

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The scriptures utilize many stories and metaphors to coax the mind towards an understanding of Brahman – after all, this is one of the few ways this can be done since Brahman cannot be described. One that is rarely encountered is the myth of rAhu.

According to Monier-Williams (Ref. 179), the word ‘rAhu’ means ‘the Seizer’. It refers to a story in the Hindu purana-s (sacred books of mythology and cosmology), although the myth also occurs in much older Buddhist texts. The fable has the gods ‘churning’ the ocean in order to extract the ‘nectar of immortality’ (amRRita). One of the demons who are watching this, disguises himself, steals a portion and drinks it, thereby becoming immortal too. The sun and moon gods witnessed this and told Vishnu, who subsequently cut off the demon’s head. The head became known as rAhu and the rest of the body (with the tail of a dragon) as ketu. They were then evicted from the earth, from where rAhu continually tries to wreak revenge on the sun and moon by eating (‘seizing’) them. We see these attempts when eclipses take place. Continue reading →

pratibandha-s – part 6 of 10

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The ‘mixture of Atman and mind’

While the body-mind remains alive (i.e. continues to be animated by Consciousness), the person is a mixture, as it were, of both. If I am enlightened, I know that I am really the original Consciousness, Brahman, but I cannot escape the fact that I am also still a jIvAtman, with that same Consciousness reflecting in the intellect. If I am unenlightened, I either do not know about paramAtman or do not believe that this is who I really am. Instead, I identify with body, mind, attributes or functions. I mistakenly superimpose (adhyAsa) the properties of the mithyA body-mind onto the paramAtman.

The same applies even to ‘knowing’. When we say ‘I know’, whether or not we are enlightened, it has to be the reflected ‘I’ that is speaking. Shankara says in his bhAShya on Bhagavad Gita 2.21:

“ …the Self, though verily immutable, is imagined through ignorance to be the perceiver of objects like sound etc. presented by the intellect etc.; in this very way, the Self, which in reality is immutable, is said to be the ‘knower’ because of Its association with the knowledge of the distinction between the Self and non-Self, which (knowledge) is a modification of the intellect and is unreal by nature.” (Ref. 6)

Thus, it can be seen, that this provides an explanation for the fact that I may be enlightened and yet the mind can still be affected by pratibandha-s. It there are none, because the mind was purified prior to enlightenment, then I am a jIvanmukta, enjoying all of the benefits of a mind unsullied by negative emotions. Otherwise, I must continue to perform those sAdhana-s that will eliminate such tendencies before I can reap the ‘fruits’ of enlightenment, j~nAna phalam. Whilst both are still inevitably a ‘mixture’, the one with pratibandha-s still says ‘I’ with a significant element of jIvAtman; the one who has purified the mind says ‘I’ with a predominant element of paramAtman. Continue reading →